http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba

The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.

In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
caused.

GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
$60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
different locations.

The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:58:56 -0700, "JRE" <texass@fullofthem.com>
wrote:

>http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba

Very sorry for the PS3 users;

But since this has been posted even on two XBOX groups, i cannot see
any relevance of this news on these groups... This news is of no
importance there, i think.

Correct me if i'm wrong.
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"JRE" <texass@fullofthem.com> wrote in message
news:zsj3n.21675$XU.5454@newsfe03.iad...
> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
> slated for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer
> Entertainment announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at
> a later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay
> has caused.
>
> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> different locations.
>
> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>

And this has what to do with the Xbox group?

On 2010-01-13 14:08:10 +0000, "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> said:

>
>
> "JRE" <texass@fullofthem.com> wrote in message
> news:zsj3n.21675$XU.5454@newsfe03.iad...
>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>>
>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
>> slated for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer
>> Entertainment announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>>
>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced
>> at a later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this
>> delay has caused.
>>
>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in
>> 2006. According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5
>> has cost $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000
>> automobiles and 20 different locations.
>>
>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>>
>
> And this has what to do with the Xbox group?

Gives them some good troll-bait?

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Zomoniac wrote:

> > And this has what to do with the Xbox group?
>
> Gives them some good troll-bait?
>
> --
>
> Zo

about the only reason for posting it
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On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced ata
> want a game ass soolater date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> caused.
>
> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006..
> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> different locations.
>
> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.

I want my games to hit the store shelves as soon as humanly possible
but I most of all want them to WORK PROPERLY! I have been a little set
back and equally frustrated waiting on GT5 but I know when it hits
retail it will have been worth the wait. This is the single biggest
aspect I dig about Sony. Release it when it's done instead of rushing
it to the market and cashing in on a specific date. I can't stand
games being released broken all the time and needing patch after
update after patch and it's STILL BROKEN!

I have plenty of racers to keep me busy until GT5 hits.

On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced ata
> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> caused.
>
> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006..
> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> different locations.
>
> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.

Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
include that" and the delays start.

But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
originally thought.

"Robert P Holley" <holleyrp@delanet.com> wrote in message
news:835ecfcb-1ab9-4610-a69d-e21caeeb4716@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
> slated
> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at
> a
> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay
> has
> caused.
>
> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> different locations.
>
> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.

Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
include that" and the delays start.

But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
originally thought.





I agree. I bet GT5 will NEVER be released.



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On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delayhas
> > caused.
>
> > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> > different locations.
>
> > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> include that" and the delays start.
>
> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> originally thought.

What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
More cars...

On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> said:

> On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>>
>>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was s
> lated
>>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainm
> ent
>>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>>
>>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced
> at a
>>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay
> has
>>> caused.
>>
>>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 20
> 06.
>>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has co
> st
>>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 2
> 0
>>> different locations.
>>
>>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
>>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
>>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>>
>> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
>> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
>> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
>> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
>> include that" and the delays start.
>>
>> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
>> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
>> originally thought.
>
> What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> More cars...

AI, online, community...

--

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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 BoodyBandit <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote:
> I want my games to hit the store shelves as soon as humanly possible
> but I most of all want them to WORK PROPERLY! I have been a little set
> back and equally frustrated waiting on GT5 but I know when it hits
> retail it will have been worth the wait. This is the single biggest
> aspect I dig about Sony. Release it when it's done instead of rushing
> it to the market and cashing in on a specific date. I can't stand
> games being released broken all the time and needing patch after
> update after patch and it's STILL BROKEN!

Normally I agree with wanting the game to ship right the first time, but
in this case, wasn't the game playable last summer? So, what prevented it
from hitting shelves, at least in Japan, last year?

It's just sad that once again Sony is back to the all too familiar chant
of "the games are coming...just wait...a little longer...well, ok...a
little longer than that..."

Maybe if Sony said why they suddenly felt the need to delay the game, it
wouldn't be so bad. But right now, it just looks like bad project
management on Sony's part.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

Zomoniac wrote:
>
> On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
> >>
> >>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was s
> > lated
> >>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainm
> > ent
> >>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
> >>
> >>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced
> > at a
> >>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay
> > has
> >>> caused.
> >>
> >>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 20
> > 06.
> >>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has co
> > st
> >>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 2
> > 0
> >>> different locations.
> >>
> >>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> >>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> >>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
> >>
> >> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> >> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> >> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> >> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> >> include that" and the delays start.
> >>
> >> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> >> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> >> originally thought.
> >
> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > More cars...
>
> AI, online, community...
>
I have to say i really think the f-d up the community on FM3 big time.


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"Doug Jacobs" <djacobs@rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:2NCdndQ_r4kyQM3WnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@posted.rawba ndwidth...
> In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 BoodyBandit
> <allaboutgamez@comcast.net> wrote:
>> I want my games to hit the store shelves as soon as humanly possible
>> but I most of all want them to WORK PROPERLY! I have been a little set
>> back and equally frustrated waiting on GT5 but I know when it hits
>> retail it will have been worth the wait. This is the single biggest
>> aspect I dig about Sony. Release it when it's done instead of rushing
>> it to the market and cashing in on a specific date. I can't stand
>> games being released broken all the time and needing patch after
>> update after patch and it's STILL BROKEN!
>
> Normally I agree with wanting the game to ship right the first time, but
> in this case, wasn't the game playable last summer? So, what prevented it
> from hitting shelves, at least in Japan, last year?
>
> It's just sad that once again Sony is back to the all too familiar chant
> of "the games are coming...just wait...a little longer...well, ok...a
> little longer than that..."
>
> Maybe if Sony said why they suddenly felt the need to delay the game, it
> wouldn't be so bad. But right now, it just looks like bad project
> management on Sony's part.
>


I don't think "the games are coming" blame meme on Sony works anymore. I
mean, you using that extensively from the release of the PS3 to about a year
and a half ago had some merit to it. Now it doesn't. The PS3 has many games
and if you look at the past year, it averaged higher scores on their
releases than did the 360. I would ask, where are the games for the 360??
Let's see, SC Conviction, delayed yet again, Where in the hell is Alan Wake,
that has been delayed for over two years now. Remember the Halo 2 release
dates and how it got pushed back twice on the og Xbox. I think it's time to
let go of "Where are the games for the PS3?".

On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game wasslated
> > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > caused.
>
> > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and20
> > > different locations.
>
> > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > originally thought.
>
> What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
behind. Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars. Also,
one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
Sidewinder content). Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
up for that. As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
too predictable also. I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
if only for the high level of content and depth it provided. We'll
see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
instead of just a fanboy favorite. Wish they had brought back a few
of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.

On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > > caused.
>
> > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> > > > different locations.
>
> > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > originally thought.
>
> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.  Also,
> one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> too predictable also.  I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Wish they had brought back a few of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for
variety's sake."

I wish they would too.
Hopefully they will in DLC.

On Jan 15, 10:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game wasslated
> > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > caused.
>
> > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and20
> > > different locations.
>
> > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > originally thought.
>
> What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ok your seriously misinformed about "racing sim" to think GT is even
touching Forza

On Jan 16, 1:24 pm, BoodyBandit <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The gamewas slated
> > > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that thisdelay has
> > > > > caused.
>
> > > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles backin 2006.
> > > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobilesand 20
> > > > > different locations.
>
> > > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > > originally thought.
>
> > > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> > behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> > have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.  Also,
> > one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> > down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> > while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> > environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> > Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> > up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> > too predictable also.  I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> > high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> > if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> > see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> > installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> > instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> > of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Wish they had brought back a few  of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for
> variety's sake."
>
> I wish they would too.
> Hopefully they will in DLC.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I found my review I wrote in 2005 for FORZA ,wow memories, I like GT
but it doesn't hold a candle to the sim features in FORZA , as a
novice racer myself and not talking out of my fanboy ass. Here's my
old review from 2005


Ive been playing this game for days now & Ive lost alot of sleep
because I cant get enough of it ,its a great game,but I will warn you
it is a Racing simulator type game that does have a slight learning
curve & it will be a harder game when you first play it,because the
driving physics are based on real-world driving.The vast amount of
different cars you can buy & race in FORZA is amazing . You can buy
just about any real-life car that are in showrooms today and also some
of the older cars from the early sixties all the way up through to
2005.The manufacturers are all represented here from ASIA,North America
(USA),Germany,Italy,United Kingdom,Sweden,France,Korea,Spain.You could
buy a 1991 Honda CRX SI and upgrade it to about 580 HP & race it
against a Ferrari ENZO. You have a ton of different race series from
Point to Point, Amateur, Professional, Championship series, & Long
Endurance races which require pit-stops. Each race is limited to your
cars category from D class, C class, B class, A class , S class, R
class.Classes D through S have four subclasses ,with 1 being the
highest rated & 4 being the lowest. Class R has three subclasses R-GT,
R-GTS, & P1. You cars class will raise as you upgrade it & you can
sell,& remove parts,adversly you can lower your cars class if you
remove parts. There are also brand specific races like Impreza
vs.Lancer, RX7 vs. Supra ,American Muscle event,Roadster
Challenge,Club Mustang event,Light Weight Challenge,300 HP challenge &
many many more.There's also FW drive event,AWD event,MR event & many
more.The vast number of different class restricted races is
mindboggling ,this game is HUGE! You can Upgrade your cars with a
large amount of options including Intake/Exaust,Fuel Ignition,Turbo
Charger, Supercharger,Intercooler,& you can swap up to bigger
engines ,say example you could put a b18c5 engine from an Integra type
R into any Civic.Also you can upgrade your cars other parts like,
Tires from Y-rated ,DOT,to Slicks,Brakes,Transmission,Clutch &
Flywheel,Weight reduction,Suspension.You can also add body kit parts
from Front & Rear bumpers,Side skirts,Roll Cage,Hood,Rims,Spoilers.
You can custom paint your cars from about 80 different colors.You can
add custom Decals & Vinyls on your cars left side ,top side,front
bumper,rear bumper,& wing & change the shape color of each Vinyl for a
completly unlimited amount of custom options.You can
move,size,spin,tilt,EACH vinyl & decal & layer them up to 100,you
could easily spend hours alone on vinyl applications. You can FINETUNE
your cars set-up from Front & Rear tire pressure,adjust each
individual gear ratio,adjust degree of camber /toe/castor,adjust ride
height front & rear, adjust spring tension from soft to firm,adjust
Damping Bump & Rebound,Adjust AERO downforce on front bumper & spoiler/
wing, adjust Differential accell & decel,adjust Braking balance &
pressure & the E-brake slow/fast.You can then go test your adjustments
on any track youve unlocked & while your on the track you can fine
tune it as your driving a test run in the pause menu.You can then save
your cars tune set-up & then load that set-up before any race to match
the track your gonna race on.You also can get a Benchmark setting to
see what your adjustments have done ,it will show you Acceleration
0-60mph time ,0-100mph time, Top Speed,Braking Distance In feet ,&
Lateral G's. As you win races & championships you will get credits
towards purchasing more cars or parts,Also sponsors will give you
discounts on parts when you win races & championships.Car
manufacturers will give you free cars for winning races,series,&
championships.The graphics are pretty good in this game ,the only
negative thing is the people look like cardboard cutouts,but its still
looks pretty good alot of nice detail.The New York & Tokyo tracks are
realy nice. The cars all look fantastic and after youve finished a
race you can watch and/or save your replay which looks fantastic.The
strongest part of this game is the racing gameplay which is
outstanding! And I did notice a big difference in performance after
you add parts to your car and/or fine tune it .Its a very realistic
racing game that does have a learning curve to get used to ,but once
you get familiar with the driving physics its realy fun. The
developers did a great job with this game & it shows. FORZA is must
own for any fan of Racing sims & it could possibly win game of the
year award ... HINTS: I noticed some reviewers saying that they
couldnt adjust the steering response & control .But you can by
adjusting everything from the camber to the tire & the front bumber
rear wing downforce not to mention a TON of other adjustments that can
be done to make the cars handle alot better .You can adjust the
understeer/oversteer which will effect the smoothness of driving
physics, but you cant adjust many of these things until you purchase
the available upgrades.Also if your having problems with high-powered
rear wheeled cars spinning out, try adjusting the toe/camber & also
the tire pressure for front & rear.A good combo is a lower pressure
rear wheel & a higer pressure front. It affects the oversteer/
underseer balance. But it might be opposite for some drivers.Try
different tire pressures & for better handling . One of the best
handling cars in the game is the PORSCE 959 ,its handles extremly well
because its a four wheel drive car & can be upgraded to a S class car,
In which I had great success with up against the mighty Chrysler ME
4-12 in the S class races & the mighty TVR 12 CYLINDER.The ME 4-12 is
very hard to control because of its rear wheeL drive.Another good
thing to remember is to go very easy into the brakes ,dont ever slam
on the brakes you'll just slide all over the place. Remeber slow is
fast in the tight turns . Also if you wanna be a better driver in the
long run turn off ALL of the assists except for the green ASSIST line
so you'll have a great adavantage in knowing just how fast you can
barrell into a turn & try different apex lines into the turn .The
green assist line isnt always the best or fastest line.But and I say
but that makes a big difference in how your car is FINE-TUNED. FORZA
is absolutly the most advanced & most in depth racing game I have ever
played. Move over GT4 ,FORZA is in town.

On Jan 17, 3:53 am, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 1:24 pm, BoodyBandit <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> > > > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > > > > caused.
>
> > > > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> > > > > > different locations.
>
> > > > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas.. Sony
> > > > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep.For
> > > > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > > > originally thought.
>
> > > > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > > > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics..
> > > > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> > > behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> > > have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.  Also,
> > > one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> > > down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> > > while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> > > environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> > > Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> > > up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> > > too predictable also.  I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> > > high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> > > if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> > > see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> > > installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> > > instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> > > of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Wish they had brought back a few  of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for
> > variety's sake."
>
> > I wish they would too.
> > Hopefully they will in DLC.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I found my review I wrote in 2005 for FORZA ,wow memories, I like GT
> but it doesn't hold a candle to the sim features in FORZA , as a
> novice racer myself and not talking out of my fanboy ass. Here's my
> old review from 2005
>
> Ive been playing this game for days now & Ive lost alot of sleep
> because I cant get enough of it ,its a great game,but I will warn you
> it is a Racing simulator type game that does have a slight learning
> curve & it will be a harder game when you first play it,because the
> driving physics are based on real-world driving.The vast amount of
> different cars you can buy & race in FORZA is amazing . You can buy
> just about any real-life car that are in showrooms today and also some
> of the older cars from the early sixties all the way up through to
> 2005.The manufacturers are all represented here from ASIA,North America
> (USA),Germany,Italy,United Kingdom,Sweden,France,Korea,Spain.You could
> buy a 1991 Honda CRX SI and upgrade it to about 580 HP & race it
> against a Ferrari ENZO. You have a ton of different race series from
> Point to Point, Amateur, Professional, Championship series, & Long
> Endurance races which require pit-stops. Each race is limited to your
> cars category from D class, C class, B class, A class , S class, R
> class.Classes D through S have four subclasses ,with 1 being the
> highest rated & 4 being the lowest. Class R has three subclasses R-GT,
> R-GTS, & P1. You cars class will raise as you upgrade it & you can
> sell,& remove parts,adversly you can lower your cars class if you
> remove parts. There are also brand specific races like Impreza
> vs.Lancer, RX7 vs. Supra ,American Muscle event,Roadster
> Challenge,Club Mustang event,Light Weight Challenge,300 HP challenge &
> many many more.There's also FW drive event,AWD event,MR event & many
> more.The vast number of different class restricted races is
> mindboggling ,this game is HUGE! You can Upgrade your cars with a
> large amount of options including Intake/Exaust,Fuel Ignition,Turbo
> Charger, Supercharger,Intercooler,& you can swap up to bigger
> engines ,say example you could put a b18c5 engine from an Integra type
> R into any Civic.Also you can upgrade your cars other parts like,
> Tires from Y-rated ,DOT,to Slicks,Brakes,Transmission,Clutch &
> Flywheel,Weight reduction,Suspension.You can also add body kit parts
> from Front & Rear bumpers,Side skirts,Roll Cage,Hood,Rims,Spoilers.
> You can custom paint your cars from about 80 different colors.You can
> add custom Decals & Vinyls on your cars left side ,top side,front
> bumper,rear bumper,& wing & change the shape color of each Vinyl for a
> completly unlimited amount of custom options.You can
> move,size,spin,tilt,EACH vinyl & decal & layer them up to 100,you
> could easily spend hours alone on vinyl applications. You can FINETUNE
> your cars set-up from Front & Rear tire pressure,adjust each
> individual gear ratio,adjust degree of camber /toe/castor,adjust ride
> height front & rear, adjust spring tension from soft to firm,adjust
> Damping Bump & Rebound,Adjust AERO downforce on front bumper & spoiler/
> wing, adjust Differential accell & decel,adjust Braking balance &
> pressure & the E-brake slow/fast.You can then go test your adjustments
> on any track youve unlocked & while your on the track you can fine
> tune it as your driving a test run in the pause menu.You can then save
> your cars tune set-up & then load that set-up before any race to match
> the track your gonna race on.You also can get a Benchmark setting to
> see what your adjustments have done ,it will show you Acceleration
> 0-60mph time ,0-100mph time, Top Speed,Braking Distance In feet ,&
> Lateral G's. As you win races & championships you will get credits
> towards purchasing more cars or parts,Also sponsors will give you
> discounts on parts when you win races & championships.Car
> manufacturers will give you free cars for winning races,series,&
> championships.The graphics are pretty good in this game ,the only
> negative thing is the people look like cardboard cutouts,but its still
> looks pretty good alot of nice detail.The New York & Tokyo tracks are
> realy nice. The cars all look fantastic and after youve finished a
> race you can watch and/or save your replay which looks fantastic.The
> strongest part of this game is the racing gameplay which is
> outstanding! And I did notice a big difference in performance after
> you add parts to your car and/or fine tune it .Its a very realistic
> racing game that does have a learning curve to get used to ,but once
> you get familiar with the driving physics its realy fun. The
> developers did a great job with this game & it shows. FORZA is must
> own for any fan of Racing sims & it could possibly win game of the
> year award ... HINTS: I noticed some reviewers saying that they
> couldnt adjust the steering response & control .But you can by
> adjusting everything from the camber to the tire & the front bumber
> rear wing downforce not to mention a TON of other adjustments that can
> be done to make the cars handle alot better .You can adjust the
> understeer/oversteer which will effect the smoothness of driving
> physics, but you cant adjust many of these things until you purchase
> the available upgrades.Also if your having problems with high-powered
> rear wheeled cars spinning out, try adjusting the toe/camber & also
> the tire pressure for front & rear.A good combo is a lower pressure
> rear wheel & a higer pressure front. It affects the oversteer/
> underseer balance. But it might be opposite for some drivers.Try
> different tire pressures & for better handling . One of the best
> handling cars in the game is the PORSCE 959 ,its handles extremly well
> because its a four wheel drive car & can be upgraded to a S class car,
> In which I had great success with up against the mighty Chrysler ME
> 4-12 in the S class races & the mighty TVR 12 CYLINDER.The ME 4-12 is
> very hard to control because of its rear wheeL drive.Another good
> thing to remember is to go very easy into the brakes ,dont ever slam
> on the brakes you'll just slide all over the place. Remeber slow is
> fast in the tight turns . Also if you wanna be a better driver in the
> long run turn off ALL of the assists except for the green ASSIST line
> so you'll have a great adavantage in knowing just how fast you can
> barrell into a turn & try different apex lines into the turn .The
> green assist line isnt always the best or fastest line.But and I say
> but that makes a big difference in how your car is FINE-TUNED. FORZA
> is absolutly the most advanced & most in depth racing game I have ever ....
>
> read more »- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What type of setup do you have for Forza 3?
MS wheel is okay but if you are really into Forza you should pick up a
Fanatec 911 S.

Personally I think they are both excellent games. I could care less
about car damage and CPU AI. All I care about is how true the cars
handle to their real life counter parts.

The area of concern for me with GT5 when comparing it to Forza 3 is
it's overall performance. Forza 3 is silky smooth and GTP had video
tearing and frame rate drops.

"Paul Heslop" <paul.heslop@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4B50DE22.E1A1E92B@blueyonder.co.uk...
> Zomoniac wrote:
>>
>> On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>> >> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>> >>
>> >>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
>> >>> s
>> > lated
>> >>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer
>> >>> Entertainm
>> > ent
>> >>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>> >>
>> >>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced
>> > at a
>> >>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this
>> >>> delay
>> > has
>> >>> caused.
>> >>
>> >>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in
>> >>> 20
>> > 06.
>> >>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has
>> >>> co
>> > st
>> >>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and
>> >>> 2
>> > 0
>> >>> different locations.
>> >>
>> >>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
>> >>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
>> >>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>> >>
>> >> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
>> >> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
>> >> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
>> >> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
>> >> include that" and the delays start.
>> >>
>> >> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
>> >> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
>> >> originally thought.
>> >
>> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
>> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
>> > More cars...
>>
>> AI, online, community...
>>
> I have to say i really think the f-d up the community on FM3 big time.

Turn 10 f-d up as you so eloquently put it a lot in Forza 3, they made the
mistake of thinking they know better than there customers what people want.

Depresion wrote:

> >> AI, online, community...
> >>
> > I have to say i really think the f-d up the community on FM3 big time.
>
> Turn 10 f-d up as you so eloquently put it a lot in Forza 3, they made the
> mistake of thinking they know better than there customers what people want.

All I see is complaints. I enjoy the game but so much has changed in
the online sections and even then people start getting used to
something then they drop it for something else.


--
Paul (we break easy)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

On Jan 16, 8:34 am, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
> "Doug Jacobs" <djac...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
>
> news:2NCdndQ_r4kyQM3WnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@posted.rawba ndwidth...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In alt.games.video.sony-playstation3 BoodyBandit
> > <allaboutga...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> I want my games to hit the store shelves as soon as humanly possible
> >> but I most of all want them to WORK PROPERLY! I have been a little set
> >> back and equally frustrated waiting on GT5 but I know when it hits
> >> retail it will have been worth the wait. This is the single biggest
> >> aspect I dig about Sony. Release it when it's done instead of rushing
> >> it to the market and cashing in on a specific date. I can't stand
> >> games being released broken all the time and needing patch after
> >> update after patch and it's STILL BROKEN!
>
> > Normally I agree with wanting the game to ship right the first time, but
> > in this case, wasn't the game playable last summer?  So, what prevented it
> > from hitting shelves, at least in Japan, last year?
>
> > It's just sad that once again Sony is back to the all too familiar chant
> > of "the games are coming...just wait...a little longer...well, ok...a
> > little longer than that..."
>
> > Maybe if Sony said why they suddenly felt the need to delay the game, it
> > wouldn't be so bad.  But right now, it just looks like bad project
> > management on Sony's part.
>
> I don't think "the games are coming" blame meme on Sony works anymore. I
> mean, you using that extensively from the release of the PS3 to about a year
> and a half ago had some merit to it. Now it doesn't. The PS3 has many games
> and if you look at the past year, it averaged higher scores on their
> releases than did the 360. I would ask, where are the games for the 360??
> Let's see, SC Conviction, delayed yet again, Where in the hell is Alan Wake,
> that has been delayed for over two years now. Remember the Halo 2 release
> dates and how it got pushed back twice on the og Xbox. I think it's time to
> let go of "Where are the games for the PS3?".

What about the PC? *cough* Duke Nukem *cough*

On Jan 15, 11:24 am, Zomoniac <the_proper_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> >>>http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> >>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game wass
> > lated
> >>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainm
> > ent
> >>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> >>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced
> > at a
> >>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay
> >  has
> >>> caused.
>
> >>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 20
> > 06.
> >>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has co
> > st
> >>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and2
> > 0
> >>> different locations.
>
> >>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> >>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> >>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> >> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> >> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> >> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> >> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> >> include that" and the delays start.
>
> >> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> >> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> >> originally thought.
>
> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > More cars...
>
> AI, online, community...

AI? What was wrong with the AI in Gran Turismo 4?

Online... who's to say that GT5 doesn't include online gameplay and
more importantly that the inclusion of that is copying from Forza
rather than just following the common advancements of gaming in
general?

Community... meh... whether this is really a draw for gamers is open
for debate.

On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > > caused.
>
> > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> > > > different locations.
>
> > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > originally thought.
>
> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.

It's hard to blame the developers for this, though. Many car
manufacturers wouldn't allow the team to show any sort of damage to
their cars. The team also has an issue with not doing realistic damage
- they said if they want to include it, they want it done
authentically and not go the easy route like Forza, Need for Speed,
etc.

> Also,
> one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> too predictable also.

Got it. I wasn't sure what he was referring to with regards to AI.

> I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.

Ultimately it doesn't make much difference to me as I was never into
racing games. I have no interest in either Forza *or* GT.

On Jan 17, 3:43 am, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 10:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was slated
> > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this delay has
> > > > caused.
>
> > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in 2006.
> > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and 20
> > > > different locations.
>
> > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > originally thought.
>
> > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ok your seriously misinformed about "racing sim" to think GT is even
> touching Forza

Hardy. I'm not contending that Gran Turismo 5 is better than Forza 3.
I'm asking what the poster thought Gran Turismo 5 needed to do better
than Forza 3 since in the general gaming community Gran Turismo 5 is
considered to be the Holy Grail of racing sims.

I don't care one way or the other as I'll never play more than just a
demo of either game. I hate racing sims.

The alMIGHTY N wrote:

> Community... meh... whether this is really a draw for gamers is open
> for debate.

if you saw the complaints about the destruction of the community which
had formed around forza 2 when they created forza 3 you would know the
answer to that.
--
Paul (we break easy)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

On 2010-01-18 17:36:08 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> said:

> On Jan 15, 11:24 am, Zomoniac <the_proper_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>>
>>>>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
> s
>>> lated
>>>>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertai
> nm
>>> ent
>>>>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>>
>>>>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announce
> d
>>> at a
>>>>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this del
> ay
>>>  has
>>>>> caused.
>>
>>>>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in
> 20
>>> 06.
>>>>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has
> co
>>> st
>>>>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and
> 2
>>> 0
>>>>> different locations.
>>
>>>>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
>>>>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
>>>>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>>
>>>> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
>>>> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
>>>> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
>>>> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
>>>> include that" and the delays start.
>>
>>>> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
>>>> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
>>>> originally thought.
>>
>>> What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
>>> most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
>>> More cars...
>>
>> AI, online, community...
>
> AI? What was wrong with the AI in Gran Turismo 4?

If you need an answer to that then evidently there is no point
conversing with you.


--

Zo

On Jan 18, 11:40 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The gamewas slated
> > > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that thisdelay has
> > > > > caused.
>
> > > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles backin 2006.
> > > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobilesand 20
> > > > > different locations.
>
> > > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > > originally thought.
>
> > > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> > behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> > have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.
>
> It's hard to blame the developers for this, though. Many car
> manufacturers wouldn't allow the team to show any sort of damage to
> their cars. The team also has an issue with not doing realistic damage
> - they said if they want to include it, they want it done
> authentically and not go the easy route like Forza, Need for Speed,
> etc.

For me, damage isn't as big of a deal, but having the option for it is
now pretty much expected. Even if they can't do it "authentically",
the option for some kind of damage, as imperfect as it might be,
should be in there, as it'll still be more realistic than no damage at
all. I think a bigger problem with GT games has been the "glued to
the track" tendency- no flipping or anything like that.

>
> > Also,
> > one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> > down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> > while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> > environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> > Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> > up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> > too predictable also.
>
> Got it. I wasn't sure what he was referring to with regards to AI.

More specifically, people complained that the AI drivers would stick
unwaveringly to the best racing line, even if your car was in the
way. That being said, I've encountered a few times when things went
completely boffo without my car being in the way.


>
> > I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> > high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> > if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> > see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> > installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> > instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> > of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.
>
> Ultimately it doesn't make much difference to me as I was never into
> racing games. I have no interest in either Forza *or* GT.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On 2010-01-18 17:36:08 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> said:

> On Jan 15, 11:24 am, Zomoniac <the_proper_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2010-01-15 15:27:14 +0000, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>>
>>>>> The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The game was
> s
>>> lated
>>>>> for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertai
> nm
>>> ent
>>>>> announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>>
>>>>> In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announce
> d
>>> at a
>>>>> later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that this del
> ay
>>>  has
>>>>> caused.
>>
>>>>> GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles back in
> 20
>>> 06.
>>>>> According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has
> co
>>> st
>>>>> $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobiles and
> 2
>>> 0
>>>>> different locations.
>>
>>>>> The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
>>>>> previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
>>>>> release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>>
>>>> Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
>>>> catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
>>>> example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
>>>> sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
>>>> include that" and the delays start.
>>
>>>> But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
>>>> game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
>>>> originally thought.
>>
>>> What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
>>> most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
>>> More cars...
>>
>> AI, online, community...
>
> AI? What was wrong with the AI in Gran Turismo 4?

If you need an answer to that then evidently there is no point
conversing with you.


--

Zo

On Jan 18, 11:40 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 16, 10:58 am, "Nick Soapdish, Jr." <JGordon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 9:27 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 8:25 am, Robert P Holley <holle...@delanet.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 13, 7:58 am, "JRE" <tex...@fullofthem.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://kotaku.com/5446924/gran-turis...lease-date-tba
>
> > > > > The years-in-the-making Gran Turismo 5 has been delayed. The gamewas slated
> > > > > for release this March in Japan, but publisher Sony Computer Entertainment
> > > > > announced today that the game's release date is now TBA.
>
> > > > > In an official release, Sony stated the release date will be announced at a
> > > > > later date. The company also apologized for any trouble that thisdelay has
> > > > > caused.
>
> > > > > GT5 was first announced at the E3 gaming expo in Los Angeles backin 2006.
> > > > > According to GT series creator Kazunori Yamauchi, Gran Turismo 5 has cost
> > > > > $60 million to make. The game will feature over 1,000 automobilesand 20
> > > > > different locations.
>
> > > > > The game was playable in 3D at the recent CES show in Las Vegas. Sony
> > > > > previously announced it was shooting for "Summer 2010" for a Western
> > > > > release. No word on how this delay will impact those plans.
>
> > > > Since Forza 1 has been released the GT series has been playing
> > > > catchup. I think what's happening here is a little feature creep. For
> > > > example GT5 gets close to being release then they see one of the other
> > > > sim racers released with a cool feature and then think "We need to
> > > > include that" and the delays start.
>
> > > > But basically I think it's that the GT5 developers want to make this
> > > > game surpass Forza and it's more of an undertaking than they
> > > > originally thought.
>
> > > What would Gran Turismo need to ape from Forza? It's considered by
> > > most to be the better racing sim. It has noticeably better graphics.
> > > More cars...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, at this point, the damage issue is still an area where GT lags
> > behind.  Yes, Forza's model is still somewhat limited and GT5 will
> > have damage, but it will only have damage for some of the cars.
>
> It's hard to blame the developers for this, though. Many car
> manufacturers wouldn't allow the team to show any sort of damage to
> their cars. The team also has an issue with not doing realistic damage
> - they said if they want to include it, they want it done
> authentically and not go the easy route like Forza, Need for Speed,
> etc.

For me, damage isn't as big of a deal, but having the option for it is
now pretty much expected. Even if they can't do it "authentically",
the option for some kind of damage, as imperfect as it might be,
should be in there, as it'll still be more realistic than no damage at
all. I think a bigger problem with GT games has been the "glued to
the track" tendency- no flipping or anything like that.

>
> > Also,
> > one Gran Turismo's prior strengths, track selection, has been knocked
> > down for GT5 to 20 environments, compared to GT4's higher number,
> > while Forza 3 has finally tackled that head-on, and has 22-24
> > environments (depending on whether you downloaded the Test Ring and
> > Sidewinder content).  Of course, the track quality for GT5 might make
> > up for that.  As someone else said, the AI in the GT series is a bit
> > too predictable also.
>
> Got it. I wasn't sure what he was referring to with regards to AI.

More specifically, people complained that the AI drivers would stick
unwaveringly to the best racing line, even if your car was in the
way. That being said, I've encountered a few times when things went
completely boffo without my car being in the way.


>
> > I do feel the Gran Turismo games are pretty
> > high quality overall, and GT4 was definitely last generation's champ,
> > if only for the high level of content and depth it provided.  We'll
> > see how it plays out this time, because I think Forza's latest
> > installment finally made it an honest-to-God contender for the throne,
> > instead of just a fanboy favorite.  Wish they had brought back a few
> > of the Forza 1 tracks, though, for variety's sake.
>
> Ultimately it doesn't make much difference to me as I was never into
> racing games. I have no interest in either Forza *or* GT.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -