In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>
>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181166@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Bill Cable" <billcable@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition... and
>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
>>>>> since people need new TVs. And I expected those TVs to be very
>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. But apparently that's not the
>>>>> case...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>>>>
>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. It won't be a barrier to
>>>>> adoption. I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple years,
>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and games.
>>>>> Can the 360? Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. But what about games? Games are what I'm more
>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D would
>>>>> be astonishing. Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>>>>> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>>>>> cable@creaturecantina.com
>>>>
>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it has
>>>> only HDMI 1.2. The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>>
>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much as
>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal at
>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly slower
>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire disc
>>>to
>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than HDMI
>>>1.1
>>>in homes? In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is a
>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start taking
>>>off
>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems will
>>>support it entirely.
>>>
>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical codex,
>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD, but
>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR reader
>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive, that is
>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data saved to
>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers and
hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new tv's
will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D that
follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on the
bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on their
next box.

On Jan 9, 10:58 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2...
>
> >>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition... and
> >>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>
> >>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> >>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
> >>>>> since people need new TVs.  And I expected those TVs to be very
> >>>>> expensive when they hit the market.  But apparently that's not the
> >>>>> case...
>
> >>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> >>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really.  It won't be a barrierto
> >>>>> adoption.  I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple years,
> >>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>
> >>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and games.
> >>>>> Can the 360?  Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
> >>>>> play Blu-ray discs.  But what about games?  Games are what I'm more
> >>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D would
> >>>>> be astonishing.  Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> >>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com  <----- funny!
> >>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> >>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it has
> >>>> only HDMI 1.2.  The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> >>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as muchas
> >>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimalat
> >>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly slower
> >>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire disc
> >>>to
> >>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than HDMI
> >>>1.1
> >>>in homes?  In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is a
> >>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start taking
> >>>off
> >>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems will
> >>>support it entirely.
>
> >> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> >What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical codex,
> >it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,but
> >it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR reader
> >in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive, that is
> >a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data saved to
> >the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers and
> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new tv's
> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D that
> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on the
> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on their
> next box.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

What the hell are you talking about the 3-D you talk about is
available right now on the 360. What the fuck does Blu-Ray have to do
with it?

You need HDMI ,1080p and min 120hz HDTV for Avatar to run RIGHT NOW
TODAY ON THE 360.

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...alysis?size=hd

"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181166@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billcable@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition... and
>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
>>>>>> since people need new TVs. And I expected those TVs to be very
>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. But apparently that's not the
>>>>>> case...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. It won't be a barrier to
>>>>>> adoption. I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple years,
>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and games.
>>>>>> Can the 360? Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. But what about games? Games are what I'm more
>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be astonishing. Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>>>>>> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>>>>>> cable@creaturecantina.com
>>>>>
>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it has
>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>>>
>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
>>>>as
>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
>>>>at
>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
>>>>slower
>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire disc
>>>>to
>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than HDMI
>>>>1.1
>>>>in homes? In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is a
>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start taking
>>>>off
>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
>>>>will
>>>>support it entirely.
>>>>
>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>>
>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical codex,
>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
>>but
>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
>>reader
>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive, that
>>is
>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data saved
>>to
>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>>
> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers and
> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
> tv's
> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
> that
> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on the
> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on their
> next box.

But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much of
a Sony fan you are.

"AGENT47" <ksdj1@4email.net> wrote in message
news:b9062e3b-882a-4ab7-9bd4-6010b7d18827@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...alysis?size=hd
>
>
>
>

Wow, that was telling. Besides having slower frames, the PS3's colors seem a
little washed out and background textures are not as sharp and detailed as
the 360 version.

In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>
>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181166@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billcable@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition... and
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
>>>>>>> since people need new TVs. And I expected those TVs to be very
>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. But apparently that's not the
>>>>>>> case...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. It won't be a barrier to
>>>>>>> adoption. I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple years,
>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and games.
>>>>>>> Can the 360? Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. But what about games? Games are what I'm more
>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be astonishing. Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>>>>>>> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>>>>>>> cable@creaturecantina.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it has
>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>>>>
>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
>>>>>as
>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
>>>>>at
>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
>>>>>slower
>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire disc
>>>>>to
>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than HDMI
>>>>>1.1
>>>>>in homes? In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is a
>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start taking
>>>>>off
>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
>>>>>will
>>>>>support it entirely.
>>>>>
>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>>>
>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical codex,
>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
>>>but
>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
>>>reader
>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive, that
>>>is
>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data saved
>>>to
>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>>>
>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers and
>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
>> tv's
>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
>> that
>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on the
>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on their
>> next box.
>
>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much of
>a Sony fan you are.
>

But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have choosen.

So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk format
that will carry the standard.

"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181166@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billcable@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition...
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs. And I expected those TVs to be very
>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. But apparently that's not the
>>>>>>>> case...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. It won't be a barrier
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> adoption. I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
>>>>>>>> games.
>>>>>>>> Can the 360? Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. But what about games? Games are what I'm more
>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be astonishing. Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>>>>>>>> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>>>>>>>> cable@creaturecantina.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
>>>>>>at
>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
>>>>>>slower
>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire
>>>>>>disc
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
>>>>>>HDMI
>>>>>>1.1
>>>>>>in homes? In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
>>>>>>taking
>>>>>>off
>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
>>>>>>will
>>>>>>support it entirely.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>>>>
>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
>>>>codex,
>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
>>>>but
>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
>>>>reader
>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
>>>>that
>>>>is
>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data
>>>>saved
>>>>to
>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>>>>
>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
>>> and
>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
>>> tv's
>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
>>> that
>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
>>> the
>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
>>> their
>>> next box.
>>
>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much
>>of
>>a Sony fan you are.
>>
>
> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> choosen.
>
> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
> format
> that will carry the standard.

Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you need BR
to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to back
down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?

In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>
>
>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethepooh@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>>>>>> <noway@nothere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181166@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billcable@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
> news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition...
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
>>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs. And I expected those TVs to be very
>>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. But apparently that's not the
>>>>>>>>> case...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. It won't be a barrier
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> adoption. I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
>>>>>>>>> years,
>>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
>>>>>>>>> games.
>>>>>>>>> Can the 360? Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
>>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. But what about games? Games are what I'm more
>>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> be astonishing. Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>>>>>>>>> http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!



Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require a souce
that is bluray!!!!!
>>>>>>>>> cable@creaturecantina.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
>>>>>>>slower
>>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire
>>>>>>>disc
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
>>>>>>>HDMI
>>>>>>>1.1
>>>>>>>in homes? In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
>>>>>>>taking
>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
>>>>>>>will
>>>>>>>support it entirely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>>>>>
>>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
>>>>>codex,
>>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
>>>>>but
>>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
>>>>>reader
>>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
>>>>>that
>>>>>is
>>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data
>>>>>saved
>>>>>to
>>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>>>>>
>>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
>>>> and
>>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
>>>> tv's
>>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
>>>> that
>>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
>>>> the
>>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
>>>> their
>>>> next box.
>>>
>>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
>>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much
>>>of
>>>a Sony fan you are.
>>>
>>
>> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
>> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
>> choosen.
>>
>> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
>> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
>> format
>> that will carry the standard.
>
>Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you need BR
>to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
>XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
>capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to back
>down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?
>

On Jan 10, 7:06 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
> In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>
> >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com....
> >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition....
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>
> >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
> >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs.  And I expected those TVs to be very
> >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market.  But apparently that's not the
> >>>>>>>>> case...
>
> >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really.  It won't be a barrier
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> adoption.  I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
> >>>>>>>>> years,
> >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>
> >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
> >>>>>>>>> games.
> >>>>>>>>> Can the 360?  Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
> >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs.  But what about games?  Games are what I'm more
> >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> be astonishing.  Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com  <----- funny!
>
> Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require a souce
> that is bluray!!!!!  
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it
> >>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2.  The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
> >>>>>>>as
> >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
> >>>>>>>at
> >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
> >>>>>>>slower
> >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire
> >>>>>>>disc
> >>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
> >>>>>>>HDMI
> >>>>>>>1.1
> >>>>>>>in homes?  In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is
> >>>>>>>a
> >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
> >>>>>>>taking
> >>>>>>>off
> >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
> >>>>>>>will
> >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>
> >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
> >>>>>codex,
> >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
> >>>>>but
> >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
> >>>>>reader
> >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
> >>>>>that
> >>>>>is
> >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data
> >>>>>saved
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
> >>>> and
> >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built intonew
> >>>> tv's
> >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in3D
> >>>> that
> >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
> >>>> the
> >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
> >>>> their
> >>>> next box.
>
> >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
> >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much
> >>>of
> >>>a Sony fan you are.
>
> >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
> >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> >> choosen.
>
> >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
> >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
> >> format
> >> that will carry the standard.
>
> >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you needBR
> >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
> >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
> >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to back
> >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
first time

http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...alysis?size=hd

On Jan 10, 9:34 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 7:06 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no....@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> > >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> > >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> > >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>
> > >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com....
> > >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition....
> > >>>>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>
> > >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> > >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
> > >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs.  And I expected those TVs to be very
> > >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market.  But apparently that's not the
> > >>>>>>>>> case...
>
> > >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> > >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really.  It won't be a barrier
> > >>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>> adoption.  I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
> > >>>>>>>>> years,
> > >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>
> > >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
> > >>>>>>>>> games.
> > >>>>>>>>> Can the 360?  Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
> > >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs.  But what about games?  Games are what I'm more
> > >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in3D
> > >>>>>>>>> would
> > >>>>>>>>> be astonishing.  Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> > >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> > >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>
> > Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require asouce
> > that is bluray!!!!!  
>
> > >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> > >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it
> > >>>>>>>> has
> > >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2.  The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> > >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
> > >>>>>>>as
> > >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
> > >>>>>>>at
> > >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
> > >>>>>>>slower
> > >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire
> > >>>>>>>disc
> > >>>>>>>to
> > >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
> > >>>>>>>HDMI
> > >>>>>>>1.1
> > >>>>>>>in homes?  In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and thePS3) is
> > >>>>>>>a
> > >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
> > >>>>>>>taking
> > >>>>>>>off
> > >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
> > >>>>>>>will
> > >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>
> > >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> > >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
> > >>>>>codex,
> > >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
> > >>>>>but
> > >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
> > >>>>>reader
> > >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
> > >>>>>that
> > >>>>>is
> > >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data
> > >>>>>saved
> > >>>>>to
> > >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> > >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
> > >>>> tv's
> > >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
> > >>>> that
> > >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
> > >>>> their
> > >>>> next box.
>
> > >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
> > >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter howmuch
> > >>>of
> > >>>a Sony fan you are.
>
> > >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
> > >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> > >> choosen.
>
> > >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
> > >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
> > >> format
> > >> that will carry the standard.
>
> > >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you need BR
> > >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
> > >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
> > >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to back
> > >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
> first time
>
> http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...s3-xbox-360-2d...

What exactly does that have to do with the upcoming movie industry 3D
standard that Gman refers to?

I know that the 360 is capable of 3D gaming but Gman *did* emphasize
that he's referring to the standard that the movie industry has agreed
upon...

On Jan 11, 2:28 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 9:34 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 7:06 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>
> > > In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > > >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > > >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > > >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>
> > > >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > > >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition...
> > > >>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here..
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
> > > >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs.  And I expected those TVs to be very
> > > >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market.  But apparently that's not the
> > > >>>>>>>>> case...
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really.  It won't be abarrier
> > > >>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>>>>>>>> adoption.  I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
> > > >>>>>>>>> years,
> > > >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
> > > >>>>>>>>> games.
> > > >>>>>>>>> Can the 360?  Well, obviously it can't with movies, sinceit can't
> > > >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs.  But what about games?  Games are what I'm more
> > > >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
> > > >>>>>>>>> would
> > > >>>>>>>>> be astonishing.  Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> > > >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>
> > > Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will requirea souce
> > > that is bluray!!!!!  
>
> > > >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> > > >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this,as it
> > > >>>>>>>> has
> > > >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2.  The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> > > >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphicsas much
> > > >>>>>>>as
> > > >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, thoughminimal
> > > >>>>>>>at
> > > >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fairly
> > > >>>>>>>slower
> > > >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the entire
> > > >>>>>>>disc
> > > >>>>>>>to
> > > >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
> > > >>>>>>>HDMI
> > > >>>>>>>1.1
> > > >>>>>>>in homes?  In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the PS3) is
> > > >>>>>>>a
> > > >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
> > > >>>>>>>taking
> > > >>>>>>>off
> > > >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
> > > >>>>>>>will
> > > >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>
> > > >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> > > >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
> > > >>>>>codex,
> > > >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage than DVD,
> > > >>>>>but
> > > >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
> > > >>>>>reader
> > > >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
> > > >>>>>that
> > > >>>>>is
> > > >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the data
> > > >>>>>saved
> > > >>>>>to
> > > >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> > > >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
> > > >>>> and
> > > >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
> > > >>>> tv's
> > > >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
> > > >>>> their
> > > >>>> next box.
>
> > > >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
> > > >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how much
> > > >>>of
> > > >>>a Sony fan you are.
>
> > > >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
> > > >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> > > >> choosen.
>
> > > >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
> > > >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
> > > >> format
> > > >> that will carry the standard.
>
> > > >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you need BR
> > > >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
> > > >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
> > > >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care toback
> > > >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
> > first time
>
> >http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...s3-xbox-360-2d...
>
> What exactly does that have to do with the upcoming movie industry 3D
> standard that Gman refers to?
>
> I know that the 360 is capable of 3D gaming but Gman *did* emphasize
> that he's referring to the standard that the movie industry has agreed
> upon...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I don't know MS isn't in control of my life I think I'll be fine.

I'm sure MS will have a solution in any case and its not anything to
worry about,IMO.

Very good link here to chew on ,lots of 3-d info

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...reo-3d-article

In article <b7218933-9b80-4116-b008-7eaea559cde4@o35g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, The alMIGHTY N <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 10, 9:34=A0pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>> On Jan 10, 7:06=A0pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no.=
>...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>> > >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>> > >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>> > >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
>> > >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
>> > >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
>> > >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "To=
>m"
>> > >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> > >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>>
>> > >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com=
>....
>> > >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition=
>....
>> > >>>>>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this genera=
>tion,
>> > >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs. =A0And I expected those TVs to be =
>very
>> > >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. =A0But apparently that's =
>not the
>> > >>>>>>>>> case...
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. =A0It won't be a b=
>arrier
>> > >>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>>>>>>>> adoption. =A0I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a coup=
>le
>> > >>>>>>>>> years,
>> > >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies an=
>d
>> > >>>>>>>>> games.
>> > >>>>>>>>> Can the 360? =A0Well, obviously it can't with movies, since i=
>t can't
>> > >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. =A0But what about games? =A0Games are wha=
>t I'm more
>> > >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in=
> 3D
>> > >>>>>>>>> would
>> > >>>>>>>>> be astonishing. =A0Would the 360 be able to do it?
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
>> > >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com=A0<----- funny!
>>
>> > Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require a=
> souce
>> > that is bluray!!!!! =A0
>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>>
>> > >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, a=
>s it
>> > >>>>>>>> has
>> > >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. =A0The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>>
>> > >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics a=
>s much
>> > >>>>>>>as
>> > >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though m=
>inimal
>> > >>>>>>>at
>> > >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fai=
>rly
>> > >>>>>>>slower
>> > >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the ent=
>ire
>> > >>>>>>>disc
>> > >>>>>>>to
>> > >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more th=
>an
>> > >>>>>>>HDMI
>> > >>>>>>>1.1
>> > >>>>>>>in homes? =A0In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the=
> PS3) is
>> > >>>>>>>a
>> > >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
>> > >>>>>>>taking
>> > >>>>>>>off
>> > >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both sy=
>stems
>> > >>>>>>>will
>> > >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>>
>> > >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>>
>> > >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphica=
>l
>> > >>>>>codex,
>> > >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage tha=
>n DVD,
>> > >>>>>but
>> > >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The =
>BR
>> > >>>>>reader
>> > >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD driv=
>e,
>> > >>>>>that
>> > >>>>>is
>> > >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the dat=
>a
>> > >>>>>saved
>> > >>>>>to
>> > >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>>
>> > >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufactur=
>ers
>> > >>>> and
>> > >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built in=
>to new
>> > >>>> tv's
>> > >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks =
>in 3D
>> > >>>> that
>> > >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to ge=
>t on
>> > >>>> the
>> > >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray =
>on
>> > >>>> their
>> > >>>> next box.
>>
>> > >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
>> > >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how=
> much
>> > >>>of
>> > >>>a Sony fan you are.
>>
>> > >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" stan=
>dard
>> > >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
>> > >> choosen.
>>
>> > >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" stan=
>dard
>> > >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only di=
>sk
>> > >> format
>> > >> that will carry the standard.
>>
>> > >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you ne=
>ed BR
>> > >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unles=
>s
>> > >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
>> > >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to b=
>ack
>> > >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hide q=
>uoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
>> first time
>>
>> http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...s3-xbox-360-2d...
>
>What exactly does that have to do with the upcoming movie industry 3D
>standard that Gman refers to?
>
>I know that the 360 is capable of 3D gaming but Gman *did* emphasize
>that he's referring to the standard that the movie industry has agreed
>upon...
And basically all of the comsumer electronics giants.

In article <343362c8-828f-4b88-a017-65200e9b7621@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, AGENT47 <ksdj1@4email.net> wrote:
>Very good link here to chew on ,lots of 3-d info
>
>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...reo-3d-article

Quote:

"So, where does this leave the Xbox 360? It's fair to say that Microsoft has
shown no sign of supporting the format whatsoever, while Sony obviously has a
huge vested interest in the format being a success, factoring in its
investment in 3D displays and movies. Whether the HDMI 1.2 output of the Xbox
360 could be patched with any of the full-resolution stereo 3D modes remains
to be seen, but it's fair to say you shouldn't be holding your breath.
However, certainly in theory, a side-by-side 720p buffer is conceivable, and
Avatar 360's advantage in 3D performance over its PS3 counterpart is obvious
even without recourse to FPS analysis, suggesting that the horsepower is there
too: at the end of the day, there are few unique effects that one console can
achieve that the other can't match.

"The only question really is whether the Xbox 360's HANA chip could be
firmware-upgraded to interface with the new displays."

On Jan 12, 4:34 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
> In article <343362c8-828f-4b88-a017-65200e9b7...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups..com>, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>
> >Very good link here to chew on ,lots of 3-d info
>
> >http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...reo-3d-article
>
> Quote:
>
> "So, where does this leave the Xbox 360? It's fair to say that Microsoft has
> shown no sign of supporting the format whatsoever, while Sony obviously has a
> huge vested interest in the format being a success, factoring in its
> investment in 3D displays and movies. Whether the HDMI 1.2 output of the Xbox
> 360 could be patched with any of the full-resolution stereo 3D modes remains
> to be seen, but it's fair to say you shouldn't be holding your breath.
> However, certainly in theory, a side-by-side 720p buffer is conceivable, and
> Avatar 360's advantage in 3D performance over its PS3 counterpart is obvious
> even without recourse to FPS analysis, suggesting that the horsepower is there
> too: at the end of the day, there are few unique effects that one consolecan
> achieve that the other can't match.
>
> "The only question really is whether the Xbox 360's HANA chip could be
> firmware-upgraded to interface with the new displays."

Yeah great link right made sense to me.

But the bigger problems lies withing the HDTV realm , everyone that
just got new HDTV's now have to go out and buy another one.

Something which many people just aren't willing to do.

Look at the Wii no HDTV no 3-d trickery and its raping both PS3/360

The public has spoken

MS is trying to go the Wii route with Natal whether they succeed or
not is debatable and SONY is doing their "blu-ray" we only have it
speech again and now its with 3-d . We know how well that went over

The bottom line is as stealthy as this OP thread was the 360 right now
today has better framerates at 3-d than the PS3 with AVATAR

yes we know that's another 3-d format but still the 360 maintained a
steady framerate while the PS3 dipped into the low teens

Just saying maybe look at the whole picture

In any case most of us hear have all platforms so why worry

The only obstacle right now is on the HDTV side not so much console

Honest question can I put L4D2 in my PS3 and have an awesome time

I kid I kid

On Jan 12, 6:22 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> Honest question can I put L4D2 in my PS3 and have an awesome time
>
> I kid I kid

Expected response"

"you can't even put L4D2 in the 360 and have a good time"


durrt durrt

On Jan 11, 2:43 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> On Jan 11, 2:28 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 10, 9:34 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 10, 7:06 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>
> > > > In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > > >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > > >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > > > >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > > >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > > >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> > > > >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> > > > >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com>," Tom"
> > > > >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups..com...
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition...
> > > > >>>>>>>>> and
> > > > >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this generation,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs.  And I expected those TVs tobe very
> > > > >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market.  But apparently that's not the
> > > > >>>>>>>>> case...
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really.  It won't bea barrier
> > > > >>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >>>>>>>>> adoption.  I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in a couple
> > > > >>>>>>>>> years,
> > > > >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year.
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D movies and
> > > > >>>>>>>>> games.
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Can the 360?  Well, obviously it can't with movies, since it can't
> > > > >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs.  But what about games?  Games arewhat I'm more
> > > > >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2 in 3D
> > > > >>>>>>>>> would
> > > > >>>>>>>>> be astonishing.  Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> > > > >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com <----- funny!
>
> > > > Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require a souce
> > > > that is bluray!!!!!  
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, as it
> > > > >>>>>>>> has
> > > > >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2.  The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> > > > >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics as much
> > > > >>>>>>>as
> > > > >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though minimal
> > > > >>>>>>>at
> > > > >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 isfairly
> > > > >>>>>>>slower
> > > > >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write theentire
> > > > >>>>>>>disc
> > > > >>>>>>>to
> > > > >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have more than
> > > > >>>>>>>HDMI
> > > > >>>>>>>1.1
> > > > >>>>>>>in homes?  In any case, all it would take for the 360 (andthe PS3) is
> > > > >>>>>>>a
> > > > >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
> > > > >>>>>>>taking
> > > > >>>>>>>off
> > > > >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, both systems
> > > > >>>>>>>will
> > > > >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>
> > > > >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> > > > >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphical
> > > > >>>>>codex,
> > > > >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storagethan DVD,
> > > > >>>>>but
> > > > >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The BR
> > > > >>>>>reader
> > > > >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD drive,
> > > > >>>>>that
> > > > >>>>>is
> > > > >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having thedata
> > > > >>>>>saved
> > > > >>>>>to
> > > > >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> > > > >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufacturers
> > > > >>>> and
> > > > >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being built into new
> > > > >>>> tv's
> > > > >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks in 3D
> > > > >>>> that
> > > > >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants to get on
> > > > >>>> the
> > > > >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray on
> > > > >>>> their
> > > > >>>> next box.
>
> > > > >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this thread ad
> > > > >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matterhow much
> > > > >>>of
> > > > >>>a Sony fan you are.
>
> > > > >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" standard
> > > > >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> > > > >> choosen.
>
> > > > >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" standard
> > > > >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the only disk
> > > > >> format
> > > > >> that will carry the standard.
>
> > > > >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that you need BR
> > > > >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unless
> > > > >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
> > > > >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to back
> > > > >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
> > > first time
>
> > >http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...s3-xbox-360-2d....
>
> > What exactly does that have to do with the upcoming movie industry 3D
> > standard that Gman refers to?
>
> > I know that the 360 is capable of 3D gaming but Gman *did* emphasize
> > that he's referring to the standard that the movie industry has agreed
> > upon...- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I don't know MS isn't in control of my life I think I'll be fine.
>
> I'm sure MS will have a solution in any case and its not anything to
> worry about,IMO.

Who's worrying? 3D isn't going to be some breakout innovation in
gaming. It's going to be as niche in gaming as it is in movies. Even
Project Natal will have more reach.

On Jan 12, 5:49 pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> On Jan 12, 4:34 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <343362c8-828f-4b88-a017-65200e9b7...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
>
> > >Very good link here to chew on ,lots of 3-d info
>
> > >http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...reo-3d-article
>
> > Quote:
>
> > "So, where does this leave the Xbox 360? It's fair to say that Microsoft has
> > shown no sign of supporting the format whatsoever, while Sony obviouslyhas a
> > huge vested interest in the format being a success, factoring in its
> > investment in 3D displays and movies. Whether the HDMI 1.2 output of the Xbox
> > 360 could be patched with any of the full-resolution stereo 3D modes remains
> > to be seen, but it's fair to say you shouldn't be holding your breath.
> > However, certainly in theory, a side-by-side 720p buffer is conceivable, and
> > Avatar 360's advantage in 3D performance over its PS3 counterpart is obvious
> > even without recourse to FPS analysis, suggesting that the horsepower is there
> > too: at the end of the day, there are few unique effects that one console can
> > achieve that the other can't match.
>
> > "The only question really is whether the Xbox 360's HANA chip could be
> > firmware-upgraded to interface with the new displays."
>
> Yeah great link right made sense to me.
>
> But the bigger problems lies withing the HDTV realm , everyone that
> just got new HDTV's now have to go out and buy another one.

Exactly. 3D HDTVs are going to be far more niche than Blu-ray, which
is already a niche technology (a big niche is still a niche).

> Something which many people just aren't willing to do.
>
> Look at the Wii no HDTV no 3-d trickery and its raping both PS3/360

The Wii is raping its competition in the ass while an audience watches
and cheers it on.

> The public has spoken
>
> MS is trying to go the Wii route with Natal whether they succeed or
> not is debatable and SONY is doing their "blu-ray" we only have it
> speech again and now its with 3-d . We know how well that went over

Everyone's response will be the same: "We don't care."

> The bottom line is as stealthy as this OP thread was the 360 right now
> today has better framerates at 3-d than the PS3 with AVATAR
>
> yes we know that's another 3-d format but still the 360 maintained a
> steady framerate while the PS3 dipped into the low teens
>
> Just saying maybe look at  the whole picture
>
> In any case most of us hear have all platforms so why worry
>
> The only obstacle right now is on the HDTV side not so much console

On Jan 12, 4:23 pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
> In article <b7218933-9b80-4116-b008-7eaea559c...@o35g2000vbl.googlegroups..com>, The alMIGHTY N <natle...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Jan 10, 9:34=A0pm, AGENT47 <ks...@4email.net> wrote:
> >> On Jan 10, 7:06=A0pm, Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:
>
> >> > In article <WtCdnVS-lPY-yNfWnZ2dnUVZ_qudn...@insightbb.com>, "Tom" <no.=
> >....@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >> > >news:ihn2n.50535$IU1.43494@en-nntp-04.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> > >> In article <b9KdnQxKz5Uo8NTWnZ2dnUVZ_gWdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >> > >> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >> > >>>news:Pfc2n.36029$dl4.14788@en-nntp-03.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> > >>>> In article <2LSdnbgxtocSq9XWnZ2dnUVZ_hSdn...@insightbb.com> , "Tom"
> >> > >>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >>>>>"GMAN" <Winniethep...@100acrewoods.org> wrote in message
> >> > >>>>>news:x1P1n.58706$N07.22571@en-nntp-05.dc1.easynews.com...
> >> > >>>>>> In article <ks2dnXYDJM8ewNrWnZ2dnUVZ_tedn...@insightbb.com> , "To=
> >m"
> >> > >>>>>> <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >>>>>>>"Mark Johnson" <digger181...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >> > >>>>>>>news:NzI1n.38423$IP3.4667@newsfe06.ams2.. .
>
> >> > >>>>>>>> "Bill Cable" <billca...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > >news:0c339927-ecf1-4084-ae08-810db1651e33@r12g2000vbm.googlegroups.com=
> >....
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Consoles are always looking for the edge over the competition=
> >....
> >> > >>>>>>>>> and
> >> > >>>>>>>>> I'm wondering if the Playstation3 has a definitive one here.
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>http://play.tm/news/28393/ps3-to-sup...aming-blu-ray/
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Initially I didn't think 3D would be an issue for this genera=
> >tion,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> since people need new TVs. =A0And I expected those TVs to be =
> >very
> >> > >>>>>>>>> expensive when they hit the market. =A0But apparently that's =
> >not the
> >> > >>>>>>>>> case...
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>>http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43547
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> $200-$300 extra for 3D is peanuts, really. =A0It won't be a b=
> >arrier
> >> > >>>>>>>>> to
> >> > >>>>>>>>> adoption. =A0I was planning to upgrade to a 3D HDTV in acoup=
> >le
> >> > >>>>>>>>> years,
> >> > >>>>>>>>> but if it's that cheap I could see me buying one next year..
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> So we know the Playstation3 will be able to play 3D moviesan=
> >d
> >> > >>>>>>>>> games.
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Can the 360? =A0Well, obviously it can't with movies, since i=
> >t can't
> >> > >>>>>>>>> play Blu-ray discs. =A0But what about games? =A0Games are wha=
> >t I'm more
> >> > >>>>>>>>> excited about anyway... playing something like Uncharted 2in=
> > 3D
> >> > >>>>>>>>> would
> >> > >>>>>>>>> be astonishing. =A0Would the 360 be able to do it?
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> --
> >> > >>>>>>>>> Bill Cable - Steelers Fan & Star Wars Collector
> >> > >>>>>>>>>http://CreatureCantina.com=A0<----- funny!
>
> >> > Yes, in order to do games that follow "THE"standard , it will require a=
> > souce
> >> > that is bluray!!!!! =A0
>
> >> > >>>>>>>>> ca...@creaturecantina.com
>
> >> > >>>>>>>> What I've read, is that the 360 will not be able to do this, a=
> >s it
> >> > >>>>>>>> has
> >> > >>>>>>>> only HDMI 1.2. =A0The minimum spec is HDMI 1.3
>
> >> > >>>>>>>The two versions have nothing to do with rendering 3D graphics a=
> >s much
> >> > >>>>>>>as
> >> > >>>>>>>allowing a bit more bandwidth and more RGB color range, though m=
> >inimal
> >> > >>>>>>>at
> >> > >>>>>>>best and when considering bandwidth transmission. The PS3 is fai=
> >rly
> >> > >>>>>>>slower
> >> > >>>>>>>than the 360 from disc reading, making the need to write the ent=
> >ire
> >> > >>>>>>>disc
> >> > >>>>>>>to
> >> > >>>>>>>the HDD. . Besides, how many TVs out there actually have moreth=
> >an
> >> > >>>>>>>HDMI
> >> > >>>>>>>1.1
> >> > >>>>>>>in homes? =A0In any case, all it would take for the 360 (and the=
> > PS3) is
> >> > >>>>>>>a
> >> > >>>>>>>firmware update. I would bet the 3D feature probably won't start
> >> > >>>>>>>taking
> >> > >>>>>>>off
> >> > >>>>>>>until after the next gen arrives, when more than likely, bothsy=
> >stems
> >> > >>>>>>>will
> >> > >>>>>>>support it entirely.
>
> >> > >>>>>> Entirely??? Not unless XBOX720 gets bluray.
>
> >> > >>>>>What does BR have to do with 3D? BR is not a 3D producing graphica=
> >l
> >> > >>>>>codex,
> >> > >>>>>it is simply a format that allows for much higher data storage tha=
> >n DVD,
> >> > >>>>>but
> >> > >>>>>it doesn't offer better graphics or 3D just because it is BR. The =
> >BR
> >> > >>>>>reader
> >> > >>>>>in the PS3 is slower than the 12x read speed of the 360's DVD driv=
> >e,
> >> > >>>>>that
> >> > >>>>>is
> >> > >>>>>a fact. So, the only way it can outdo the 360 is by having the dat=
> >a
> >> > >>>>>saved
> >> > >>>>>to
> >> > >>>>>the HDD (which most games have to do anyway with the PS3).
>
> >> > >>>> 3D, at least the standard that the consumer electronics manufactur=
> >ers
> >> > >>>> and
> >> > >>>> hollywood have agreed on for this standard which is being builtin=
> >to new
> >> > >>>> tv's
> >> > >>>> will require bluray for home playback. They wont be selling disks =
> >in 3D
> >> > >>>> that
> >> > >>>> follow the agreed upon standard on DVD. So unless xbox wants toge=
> >t on
> >> > >>>> the
> >> > >>>> bandwagon and follow THE standard, they will need to have blu ray =
> >on
> >> > >>>> their
> >> > >>>> next box.
>
> >> > >>>But the 360 already has 3D games, it has been said in this threadad
> >> > >>>nauseum. Again, BR has nothing to do with 3D graphics, no matter how=
> > much
> >> > >>>of
> >> > >>>a Sony fan you are.
>
> >> > >> But it will be the only format that 3D movies that follow "THE" stan=
> >dard
> >> > >> agreed by the Consumer electronics maunfacturers and Hollywood have
> >> > >> choosen.
>
> >> > >> So what if the 360 is capable of a form of 3d, it wont be "THE" stan=
> >dard
> >> > >> everyone else is using and it wont be capable of playing the onlydi=
> >sk
> >> > >> format
> >> > >> that will carry the standard.
>
> >> > >Exactly what does this mean in lieu of your original claim that youne=
> >ed BR
> >> > >to be able to do 3D in video games (your words, "Entirely??? Not unles=
> >s
> >> > >XBOX720 gets bluray.")? Being a format standard because of it storage
> >> > >capabilities isn't anything close to your Xbox720 statement, care to b=
> >ack
> >> > >down from it now, or will you keep digressing from that claim?- Hide q=
> >uoted text -
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> >> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> You might wanna take a look at this link in case you missed it the
> >> first time
>
> >>http://www.eurogamer.net/videos/digi...s3-xbox-360-2d....
>
> >What exactly does that have to do with the upcoming movie industry 3D
> >standard that Gman refers to?
>
> >I know that the 360 is capable of 3D gaming but Gman *did* emphasize
> >that he's referring to the standard that the movie industry has agreed
> >upon...
>
> And basically all of the comsumer electronics giants.

Not that it matters...

Almost everyone agreed on Blu-ray... then everyone did (or had to)...
and Blu-ray still isn't going anywhere... and it's in a better
position than home 3D ever will be.