Tom

"The alMIGHTY N" <natlee75@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jan 15, 1:01 pm, "Tom" <no...@nothere.com> wrote:
>> "Morgan" <nos...@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
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>>
>> > Tom wrote:
>>
>> >>>> (look at Wii sales!!).
>>
>> >>> You can't really count the Wii, it's not a gamers console.
>>
>> >> It is a gaming console no matter how you look at it
>>
>> > True, I was probably being over glib about that, sorry. I just don't
>> > considers the Wii to have the same target audience asthe PS3/360/PC.
>>
>> >> It would be interesting to see how many former avid PC gamers have
>> >> just
>> >> quit it and made the switch to consoles and not looked back. I was
>> >> there
>> >> for a few years.
>>
>> > I was there for a few months.
>>
>> >>>> I am, for the most part, one of them, except I am an RPG freak, they
>> >>>> are better on PC, but I somehow think that won't last much longer
>> >>>> going
>> >>>> into the next gen.
>>
>> >>>> The PC market is certainly not dead, but it is a nearly complete
>> >>>> shell
>> >>>> of its former self and game sales and especially hardware sales even
>> >>>> reflect that.
>>
>> >>> That's my point and the point that a couple of people seem to ignore.
>> >>> I'm not saying that the PC will make some massive comeback I'm simply
>> >>> saying that it will probably have a slight but noticeable improvement
>> >>> if
>> >>> the next generation of consoles doesn't come out PDQ, and that it's
>> >>> not
>> >>> dead, as die-hard console fanatics seem to think. They seem to read
>> >>> this as "the PC will come to conquer us all."
>>
>> >> I didn't really notice anyone ignoring your words, but you do seem to
>> >> be
>> >> very dismissive of the sales points and the well known gaming
>> >> preferences
>> >> today,
>>
>> > No dismissive at all, I been very happy to admit that a lot more games
>> > are
>> > sold on consoles and that it's a far more lucrative section of the
>> > market.
>> > What I'm not happy to concede is that PC gaming is dead or that joint
>> > developed multi format games are the sole domain of the consoles. Basic
>> > common sense, if developers are investing the time and money in a PC
>> > version then there's a substantial amount of money to be made from PC
>> > gaming still. I'm not saying that
>>
>> Actually, it's more lucrative to make games for PCs, since licensing
>> fees,
>> etc are not part of the cost of getting them on the hardware, as like
>> with
>> the 360, or the PS3. I don't think being happy about this particualr
>> situation or not really should be an emotional one as you do come
>> acrossed
>> sensitive to the current PC market situation . to me, thing are going to
>> be
>> what they're going to be no matter how I want it. I just good looking
>> quality games that play smoothly and offer great immersion. Consoles have
>> been hitting that well in this gne, so I am happy that there are more
>> than
>> just one venue that can cover that for me. I don't think anyone here
>> really
>> mean that the PC world of gaming is dead,as like I said in another post,
>> Nvidia and ATI would be all but dead. Games for PC are not going away
>> anytime soon, but I don't see it expanding as much as shrinking.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > > consoles have been and still are the gaming grade of
>> >> choice for "most" gamers, not PCs. I actually do not see it making an
>> >> improvement in sales or even growing as a base. I couldn't even say
>> >> that
>> >> PC sales will make even a small improvement since the decline has been
>> >> very long, since the mid to late 90s this has been happening. Did you
>> >> see
>> >> PC rigs sales ramping up while the PS1 and PS2 were selling over 100m
>> >> each, as an example? Another fact about PC gaming is that some games
>> >> require really high end systems to be able to run them.
>>
>> > In real terms this is actually vary few though these days. Crysis need
>> > a
>> > stupidly high spec, and the Witcher wasn't that much better (I'm
>> > chalking
>> > that one up to bad programming because it wasn't that much to look at)
>>
>> > Bioshock (as I mentioned earlier) and Fallout 3 for example both ran
>> > nicely on mid range rigs.
>>
>> And this is the point about consoles now. Yes, Crysis was stupidly high
>> and
>> you had to buy a rig like mine to run it at it fullest (it does look
>> incredible though). But Fallout 3 really looks good on my 52" Sammy as
>> much
>> as it does on the PC and it plays smooth. So, when considering this, why
>> would anyone need a PC when the looks are good enough for the majority,
>> sitting on their comfy spot 8" away from their nice HDTV with a wireless
>> controller playing a relaxing RPG?,
>
> Jeez... you're going to screw up your eyes, dude. ;-)

I was an amoeba in my past life, LMAO
God that is close!!

>
>> that's what is killing the PC market,
>> but that isn't a bad thing since the graphical quality on a bigger
>> screens
>> looks pretty damn good. Right now, PCs offer better commands of game
>> (console commands) and the modding community is still pretty strong
>> offering
>> some great changes. Plus you'll always have better performance. But as I
>> stated, for the majority, they won't care about what I just mentioned,
>> because consoles are now good enough for them.
>
> And will be good enough even if Microsoft and Sony don't release new
> consoles for a few years as much as I hate to say it.

I am a little bummed, but maybe with this PC purchase, I will not feel held
back for those years :-).

>
>> >> I have been a PC gamer going back two decades, but with the arrival of
>> >> the og Xbox, what it did online and what it offered graphically, my
>> >> gaming preference swung totally 180º.
>>
>> > I expanded rather than switched around the same time Assassin's Creed
>> > came
>> > out. At the time it was a very bad patch for the PC releases since
>> > then
>> > however I've been gradually going back. Most cross platform games I
>> > get
>> > are for the PC (my PC was highish spec about 2.5 years ago), I have a
>> > friend who is in prety much the same situation. For me the 630/PS3 are
>> > for games that arn't out on the PC or I think would be more suited to a
>> > control pad.
>>
>> I'm holding off on AC2, but when I get it, it will be on PC. Another
>> genre
>> (stealth) that works better on mouse and keyboard (along with RPGs and
>> RTS')
>
> The term "stealth" can only be used loosely with Assassin's Creed...

Yep, but I prefer this game on a PC anyway.

>
>> > > consider paying for. Mass Effect, though I loved it on the 360, just
>> >> because of its storyline, was sorely lacking graphically and by way of
>> >> using commands and changing items/weapons, that I made the swing to a
>> >> new
>> >> rig knowing ME2 is about to arrive.
>>
>> > I've opted for that on the 360 just because I've alread y got ME1 on
>> > the
>> > that format and I want to import my save game. It's a couple of game
>> > that
>> > I'm seriously considering getting on both formats though.
>>
>> No way, the graphical experience was enough for me to just order the PC
>> version, though I cannot use my saves, I don't care. I don't think
>> there's a
>> hope in hell, though the Bioware dudes say the game will run smoother,
>> have
>> little texture pop-ins while having better textures on the same hardware
>> that couldn't be achieved it on ME, is not happening.
>>
>> Here's my rig I built almost two months ago:
>>
>> OS - Windows 7 64bit
>> CPU - i7 950
>> Motherboard - Asus Rampage II Extreme
>> Memory - 12gb G-Skill DDR3 1333mhz
>
> Holy mother of God. 4GB is already more memory than most computer
> users will ever need or want. Console gamers aren't going to be
> looking at a rig like this... ever.

Not really, 4gigs isn't enough. Dragon Age will eat up nearly 3gigs when
going full bore and Windows 7 starts of with 1 gig. I also so a lot of
music/video editing, so it comes in handy. Believe it or not, the ram only
cost me a little over $250. Plus, I use the toolsets for some of these
games, so to open files and mod characters and items, takes a lot of RAM.
You should see Leliana (one of the main characters in DA). She was OK
looking originally, but now she smokes.
>
>> Graphics Cards - Sapphire Radeon 5870 x 2
>> Sound Card - Soundblaster X-fi 24bit
>> Monitor - Samsung ToC T240HD 24" (1900x1200)
>
> There's another category I fall into that's common amongst many
> gamers... the "my wife won't let me spend even a grand on freakin'
> video games" category. Years ago my wife had no problem with me
> spending a thousand bucks on a computer but nowadays she's too smart
> to think that such a computer would be used for anything *BUT* gaming.

Yes, but your points over the years here regarding console gaming now
compared to PC is valid, it is good enough. Heck, you even said that back in
2004, you were all but done with PC gaming because of the consoles. I think
I will be there next gen.